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January 9, 2008



From todays NYtimes Editorial

“In Mrs. Clinton’s zeal to make the case that experience (hers) is more important than inspirational leadership (Mr. Obama’s), she made some peculiar comments about the relative importance of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and President Lyndon Johnson to the civil rights cause. She complimented Dr. King’s soaring rhetoric, but said: “Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. … It took a president to get it done. ”

Why Mrs. Clinton would compare herself to Mr. Johnson, who escalated the war in Vietnam into a generational disaster, was baffling enough. It was hard to escape the distasteful implication that a black man needed the help of a white man to effect change. She pulled herself back from the brink by later talking about the mistreatment and danger Dr. King faced. Former President Bill Clinton, who seems to forget he is not the one running, hurled himself over the edge on Monday with a bizarre and rambling attack on Mr. Obama.”



This is responnding to Obama’s retort on Hillary accusing Obama of FALSE HOPE


18 Comments leave one →
  1. January 9, 2008 11:17 pm

    You missed Bill saying that Hillary was stronger than Mandela.

    Yeah, he said it.

    She can backtrack all she want, but she insulted Dr. King.

  2. Zletr permalink
    January 11, 2008 6:53 pm

    I am so shocked. Without the request from Dr. King, there woould not have been a dream. Hillary, I was really going to vote for you but on second thought–I have to vote now for your apponent. Not giving Dr. King any props have really turned me around, and what else would you deny if I voted you in

  3. Nixon Benoit permalink
    January 13, 2008 3:24 am

    I could not believe that Hillary Clinton said the following: “Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act. It took a president to get it done.”
    This is totally unacceptable for Hillary Clinton to say. Black people across the nation should demands an official apology from her. She covers herself under the Democratic Party to gain African America support, and votes. However she does not represent the party ideology. I am afraid that she is just a racist, hypocrite and an opportunist who fooled the black community in the past. She was right when she said that she found her voice in New Hampshire thereafter. She does even have a modicum of restraint for our most respectable hero – A man who gave his life for the liberty of back people. I could not believe that she said the following: “Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act. It took a president to get it done.”
    Not only she is going to loose the votes of the black people in South Carolina, but also she is going to loose the black votes across the nation. The last time I remember checking the official US census, Black people accounts for about 12.8% of the population

  4. Reggie permalink
    January 13, 2008 11:39 am

    Not only am I disturb by their comments. I find very ironic that Hillary be now comparing herself to LBJ when at that exact moment in history she was busy campaigning for Barry Goldwater, an ultra conserative at the time and one of the people who worked so hard to OPPOSE the passage of the bill.

    Hmmmm why was that if she was so proud of what LBJ was working to accomplish?

  5. Tom permalink
    January 15, 2008 1:24 pm

    I couldn’t agree more. Absolutely – Malcom X was right about those grin in your face liberals. The Clintons complain about a “vast right wing conspiracy” and then are their own confederacy of dunces. Senator Clinton suggested it was the Obama campaign that was inserting race into the campaign – black bogeyman again, protect your daughters he’s coming. What she forgot to mention is that LBJ had to be led kicking and screaming to sign the NVRA as well as other legislation. Does she forget the impact of the Watts riots? Malcom X offering the choice of the Ballot or the Bullet? It was not just MLK but SNCC, Malcolm X, the Panthers, Fannie Lou Hammer, Ella Baker, and many other activists whose names are lost to history. She says no one will be invisible under her presidency….they already are.

  6. kevin permalink
    January 15, 2008 11:21 pm

    the afore mentioned comment on Dr. king was a bad choice of words. I understand the point she was trying to make, but it was in poor taste to downplay Dr. Kings struggle to unite America. Yes Johnson might have had the power to pass the Civil Rights Act, but it was due to the struggle of the entire movement that something was done. She was right in what she said but it only occurred because of “the Dream” that was spoken with such passion from Dr. King. You can think of it this way,” Stagnant water is just water until one comes along and disturbs it.” Dr. King came and turned that stagnant water into a river of change.

  7. thoughts permalink
    January 16, 2008 12:43 am

    Show me a politician, any politician who we can actually trust and I’ll show you somebody who doesn’t belong in politics. It is not the nature of the political beast to be forthright and honest. These values are best left to the individuals. Expecting politicians to fit into a nice, neat moral profile is like expecting water to run uphill. Even MLK himself was no saint. There was liberal support for Goldwater in the 70’s. You have to understand context. Likewise with Clinton’s comment, which was a statement about power – not about race. And that is a no-brainer. And yet, I am not ‘on a side’.
    Today’s context is that the reality presented to us is carefully manipulated and manufactured to keep us believing in the system. The most basic and most powerful form of brainwashing is repetition. Think about it – it is how we teach our children and it is how we are taught to ‘be’, as it were. Furthermore, if you offer choices that you ultimately control, then you are in control ultimately. It is pure logic.
    I do not trust smooth talkers. Obama is that in my opinion. I don’t think he has the strength of character to resist corruption based on my observation of his body language in the debates and in interviews. That being said, (and back to Dr. West’s original comment) why is it in a country as great as ours with a strong history of inventors, scientists, academicians, athletes and thinkers that these are the choices we have as presidential candidates?
    Something is wrong with the whole picture. Dr. West, frankly I am disappointed you have shifted from your initial common sense approach.

  8. chris permalink
    January 26, 2008 6:18 am

    everybody wants to turn nothing into something. i didn’t hear her comparing herself to anybody. and i don’t think she meant black or white anything. i think the people that took “offense” to her comments are mostly african-americans. i didn’t hear anything racial.

  9. January 30, 2008 8:24 pm

    I don’t understand why Clinton is being so harshly criticized for stating the facts. She was absolutely correct when she spoke of Pres. Johnson’s role in bringing about civil rights changes in the 60s: He got congress to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and he also got congress to pass the Voting Rights Act, which guaranteed southern blacks the right to vote… Johnson also nominated civil rights attorney Thurgood Marshall to be the first African American Associate Justice of the Supreme Court. If we look back at figures like Johnson and Lincoln, its easy to portray them as luke warm on civil right by today’s standards, and it’s often thought that it’s more likely they were driven by ulterior motives. But nothing could be further than the truth. Both men operated in a climate of severe racial hatred at great peril to themselves and their political parties. Johnson and the democratic party paid for their role in black civil rights by losing the southern democrats over to the republican party for over ten years, some southern democrats converted to the republican party permanently. Pres. Lincoln paid for it with his life. Point of fact is that white men cannot be continuously crucified for their role in oppressing people of color, if we don’t balance this with the overwhelming actions on their part to reverse this same oppression pattern. I submit that if white men had not wanted to give people of color an equal role in this country, it would never have happened. We need only look around the world and witness atrocities and we will know that continuing oppression is certainly possible. In terms historical black oppression, white Americans have a lot to be remorseful for, but they also have much to be proud of… they saw wrongs, and albeit slowly, they have and are continuing to change their view, and they’ve changed the world view. MLK stated this in his speech in front of the Lincoln monument that the struggle for equlity of blacks was shouldered by the white men that shared that view. What would MLK say about all of this? Would he give credit to Johnson? We don’t have to wonder, because in speech after speech MLK both urged Johnson to expedite change and praised him for doing so.

    Now, on Obama: I think he’s a fine man. As a Latino, I would love nothing more than to see a person of color in the White House. I do appreciate Obama’s views on drivers licensing for undocumented immigrants, because it makes sense that if people are going to be driving, they should have a license. I’m a democrat, so I’d love to see an end to the 8-years of republican folly. But, I’m supporting Richards for president just because he’s half Mexican. I don’t understand why so many black constituents support Obama just because he’s black… given that Obama views, his voting record and his electability don’t make him an obvious choice for an African American. Clinton’s is a solid candidate and her views have been consistent, but it’s also true that her electability is in question. If I were more confident that Obama could win the office of the presidency, I would vote for him. Unfortunately, I’m just not sure if white Americans are ready… and what is the alternative if he can’t win… John McCain, who has the idea that Iraq is winable… So, please give me a candidate that can guarantee a win.

    But moreover, don’t make it a sin for a white woman to make a comment of historical fact about an important person like President Johnson, just because it takes some of Martin Luther Kings efforts and accomplishments and shares them with others. History and facts must still be spoken accurately. Let us not forget that MLK’s was not alone on those marches, he was arrested with other blacks, whites (Jews), etc.

  10. Thomas permalink
    February 10, 2008 2:08 pm

    I still fail to understand in the U.S. today that so many people are so closed minded. People have to turn everything into a racial issue and here I thought we were all just people. This is not what Dr. King envisioned and not what he intended. He wouldn’t stand by and condone the behavior that comes from people in this country. The biggest reason that black men are victims is because they make themselves victims by turning everything that is said into a “racist” comment. I know that there are still people out there that do these things (i.e. Don Imus), however the vast majority understand otherwise. Black men and women are taught as children that they are less fortunate because of their skin color by their parents. And the press enforces this ignorance by allowing such closed mindedness to continue on the airwaves. I am sickened that this country can’t get past race and just see people.

  11. William permalink
    February 18, 2008 8:37 pm

    God! Are you people of color racist or what? Kennedy started the Civil Rights thing. I enjoyed MLK’s speeches. They were peaceful. They were truth. Who of King’s heritage is pushing the same dream? No one on this website. You want division and segregation. Whine, whine, whine way past of the time of whining. Time to quit laying blame. People of color aren’t the only ones having a hard time. Get over your little baby racist selves and grow up!

    • October 23, 2013 3:29 am

      Looks like your the one whinning, sweetie. Haha.

      So, here is some advice: get over your little baby racist-self and grow up!

      You’re welcome.

  12. Coca, permalink
    February 24, 2008 12:25 am

    I decided to revisit this issue, for the last couple of people who commented, I am happy you did. Your ignorance has lent itself to my comment. I am an American Studies major and one thing that I will say is not a single and follow me on this one, not a single was and will ever be unless we are lucky, looking out for what was/is best for African Americans in this country. I like how all of you like to pile on as if you understood what Dr.King stood for. You don’t know what Dr.King stood for and you will never, unless you open your mind and realize what Dr.King had died for. If it were not for A. Phillip Randolph threatening to MARCH ON WASHINGTON the troops would have never been intergrated. However many give the credit to Roosevelt. Yes, Lincoln payed with his life but Lincoln was no friend of “the negro”. He was not for intergration or did he believe that all men were equal. There is proof of this. As a professor of mine said, “My father condemned the Holocaust but he still hated the Jews and blamed them for everything”. As for John F. Kennedy and “his idea”, if he felt strongly about it, he would have addressed it sooner. It took thousands of people and a March on Washington that could not be ignored to wake him up!! As for LBJ, I am grateful for him signing the Civil Rights Act but he wouldn’t have signed it if it were not for all the people that the insightful commentors mentioned above. All of which have been conveinently written out of history. Fannie Lou hamer had to go to the Democratic Convention and show them her pain by saying that she was “sick and tired of being sick and tired” for them to even pay attention. You guys, seem to forget how change happens and how things come about. It isnt from the top down but from the bottom up. In addition, Dr, King’s dream has not yet been fulfilled nor realized esp. with the nonsense that I see on a regular basis. Hence, for her to say that alone was a gaffe. One act!! will not stop racism from occuring nor rectify what had happened in the past. What she was trying to do was score a political cheap shot on the back of Dr. King’s legacy and that alone is a disgrace.

    If you pay attention to the media, you would often hear them speak of how Senator Barack Obama is an amazing orator. The political pundits and the media have compared his oratory skills to those of JFK and Dr.King. Hence Hillary Clinton decides to take it a step further. In order to diminish the media’s praise, she decides to do,as what she still is doing, is make Obama into a “talker” and herself into a “doer” by claiming that in signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 LBJ got it done while Dr.King just…dreamed.

    P.S. I was taught about racism at the age of seven when I was called a “dirty darkie” by a pizza shop owner or then it could have also been my friend’s grandmother who told me that I was not allowed in her house when she invited her granddaughter’s school friends over for cookies and milk. I was the only black person in the group. She closed the door in my face. It was winter and I was left to walk back up the school in tears so my mother could pick me up. This is the 90s i’m talking about. My parents tried to keep the issue of race and racism away from me because they knew how vicious, hurtful and defeating it is. My parents loved me too much to see me hurt. Therefore they kept it away from me. You are cold and ignorant for making such a comment that racism is something that black parents teach their kids and that it doesnt exist.

    How can racism not against in the United States of America anymore but the biggest topic of discussion was and still is “Will Americans elect a black man as president?” Hyprocritical dont you think. If Dr. King’s dream was fulfilled we wouldnt be having that discussion.

  13. April 3, 2008 9:16 am

    Hey Americans, as you vote, in November, remember the world wants you to break with the past failures of voting for war mongers who thrive on peddling fear and mistrust of everyone from the Arab world. Bush could not have secured a second and disastrous tenure without empty rhetoric about the need to protect the ‘homeland’ from terrorists and ‘evil’ men like Bin ladin and Saddam Hussein. Most of you swallowed the lies peddled by Bush and the neo-cons like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. These men thrive on fear mongering and depicting of the world as a horrible place where Americans are not safe and require ‘them’ to offer that protection at the expense of young American marines ready to be expended in this nonsensical mayhem and bloodletting. A break with the past is what America needs. As world leader, you need confidence in your place in the world community of Nations. You need to earn the respect of the world which has suffered a terrible bashing on Bush’s watch at the white House! Vote for a candidate who will steer America as far away from unneccessary and pre-emptive wars as possible. A man or woman who isn’t paranoid and egocentric as Bush is. We don’t need another cowboy demented guy in the White House! We need a diplomatic, tactiful and insightful president of the USA we can all be proud of. The stakes for the world are sky high in a US election as sizzling and exciting as the Dems race to the nominee is. Happy voting, God bless America. I love the Americans and their free ways. I will live in America soon!
    Nicholas Sii, ZAMBIA.

  14. Markus permalink
    January 13, 2009 11:08 pm

    Did it ever occur to anyone how much time is waisted on talking about racism.
    As long as there is different shades of society there will always be signs of ignorance. I look at Obama as thee person that will prove to the world that he is the spark to get the economy back on track. I don’t care if the president is green blue or orange, just DO SOMETHING ….You know God is looking down saying i gave you this beautiful planet and this is what i get…..thanks..


  15. October 23, 2013 3:21 am

    For some people who are having a hard time understanding why it was so bad for Hilary to say “Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act. It took a president to get it done.”

    It was already realized and acknowledged by Blacks and minorites who were already trying to push for this “dream” to happen. For her to say it only BEGAN to get realized after President Johnson passed the act is her just turning her head to all the insane efforts and continuos trials minorties have already done, because they’ve realized and acknoledged this dream and were fighting for it.

    It’s like she didn’t care to acknowledge or give credit to what minorities have done, and this has been such a struggle for them and in some ways still is.

    It shows how much she’s know and with how far she is in the game, this is something she SHOULD know…. unless, she doesn’t care enough to know it.

    I definitely won’t be voting for her.

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